So, ive done alot of research on Rampage. Its currently set to 75 range here on TAKP, I belive this is way to high and incorrect. I want this to be an open discussion, with player experiences and old posts that can prove it was around the targets melee range. Atleast for every encounter within Velious. The posts from this link below has a discussion on this topic and 2 posts provided by Zealot and aspit, mentions that rampage was bugged at a certain point in time. But it was normally always around 5 feet more then the targets melee range. http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/...exactly-does-rampage-work?p=192592#post192592 Finding solid evidence that Rampage was only hitting targets within melee range is not easy. Since the introduction of AE rampage in POP, and Rampage being changed many times on Live. Here are links of old threads that all mention Rampage being melee range: https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/index.php?threads/controlling-rampage.28284/ http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=17179 There are posts that mention that its based on the mobs themself like this one, and that targets have different rampage range: http://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-103.html I belive this is not relevant to Velious, as there are no mentions at all from Velious era atlest that a rampaging target hits outside of melee. My personal experience from Live was that everything in Velious was melee range. Would be very nice if people could help provide input on this.
I think with single target ramp 75 range wont be to huge of a problem cause any non melee could range it pretty easy. The bigger problem will be with introduction of ae ramp. Its goign to be tough to melee when all melee are in range of ae ramp
AE ramp is negated by being at max meelie, right? I seem to recall this from live. I remember just creeping into range from out, and as long as mob was cornered, you could pretty safely find that sweet spot and avoid the AE ramp.
Oh, I see. So you are just saying that if 75 > meelie range, meelie screwed. But if 75 < meelie range, no problem. Good point.
Wild (AoE) Rampage is not 75, only single ramp. I can say from my personal experience with Rampage on AK that it was hitting beyond melee range for at least some NPCs (Rumblecrush and Bertox come to mind). 75 is just the default range; I added a parameter to adjust this on an individual basis.
I also remember Rumblecrush hitting beyond melee range. But I don't remember anything in Velious doing this, and there are no evidence supporting that Rampage did infact hit targets outside of their melee range. Also, this is a very interesting thread: http://www.monkly-business.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8712
[Mon Jul 23 17:27:48 2012] Tukaarak the Warder goes on a RAMPAGE! [Mon Jul 23 17:27:48 2012] Tukaarak the Warder was hit by non-melee for 26 points of damage. [Mon Jul 23 17:27:48 2012] Tukaarak the Warder was pierced by thorns. [Mon Jul 23 17:27:48 2012] Tukaarak the Warder crushes YOU for 155 points of damage. [Mon Jul 23 17:27:48 2012] Tukaarak the Warder was hit by non-melee for 26 points of damage. [Mon Jul 23 17:27:48 2012] Tukaarak the Warder was pierced by thorns. [Mon Jul 23 17:27:48 2012] Tukaarak the Warder crushes YOU for 214 points of damage. [Mon Jul 23 17:27:48 2012] Tukaarak the Warder was hit by non-melee for 26 points of damage. [Mon Jul 23 17:27:48 2012] Tukaarak the Warder was pierced by thorns. [Mon Jul 23 17:27:48 2012] Tukaarak the Warder claws YOU for 258 points of damage. [Mon Jul 23 17:27:48 2012] Tukaarak the Warder says 'You will not evade me Nester!' [Mon Jul 23 17:27:48 2012] You have been summoned! [Mon Jul 23 17:28:43 2012] You told Imaa, 'i got on ramp somehow'
Actually Iurari, thats taken from steelwarriors boards in late 2003. after our timeline. Stuff was changed during LDoN and LoY. Its also here: http://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-103.html
Doh! Here's a quote from a guide by Cromis: Again, on the range of rampage, "almost always significantly larger than the hit box of the mob (max melee range does not help." Barring some exceptions!
Yeah I agree, rampage has bigger range on certain targets in Luclin and alot more in POP, but in velious this should not be the case.
I can't comment on Velious since I didn't raid in it, but my memory jives with this statement for Luclin and PoP.
Maybe Tukaarak the Warder had 75 range, but im not incorrect, ive asked multiple people that was in Vintage, every single one ive asked has said you could move out of melee range to avoid rampage. Maybe they never noticed this on Tukaarak the Warder, I dunno. Velious in general should have melee range, there are so many posts mentioning this, its mind-boggling.
[Sat Mar 4 17:39:51 2006] Kwelynin tells the raid, 'Call Ramp' [Sat Mar 4 17:40:00 2006] Derakor the Vindicator goes on a RAMPAGE! [Sat Mar 4 17:40:06 2006] Edwena tells temdebuff:8, 'Derakor the Vindicator CRIPPLED' [Sat Mar 4 17:40:06 2006] A temple guardian is struck by a sudden force. [Sat Mar 4 17:40:09 2006] Kyth tells the raid, 'got ramp' [Sat Mar 4 17:40:10 2006] Derakor the Vindicator goes on a RAMPAGE! [Sat Mar 4 17:40:23 2006] Derakor the Vindicator goes on a RAMPAGE! [Sat Mar 4 17:40:34 2006] Derakor the Vindicator goes on a RAMPAGE! [Sat Mar 4 17:40:34 2006] Cromis begins to cast a spell. [Sat Mar 4 17:40:38 2006] Derakor the Vindicator goes on a RAMPAGE! [Sat Mar 4 17:40:38 2006] Myrbob begins to cast a spell. [Sat Mar 4 17:40:38 2006] Uerinka is washed over by the wave of Marr. [Sat Mar 4 17:40:38 2006] Edwena is washed over by the wave of Marr. [Sat Mar 4 17:40:38 2006] Cromis begins to cast a spell. [Sat Mar 4 17:40:39 2006] Derakor the Vindicator goes on a RAMPAGE! [Sat Mar 4 17:40:44 2006] Derakor the Vindicator goes on a RAMPAGE! [Sat Mar 4 17:40:45 2006] A temple guardian is struck by a sudden force. [Sat Mar 4 17:40:49 2006] Kyth tells the raid, 'call ramp' [Sat Mar 4 17:40:52 2006] Cromis tells temheals:7, 'I have ramp' [Sat Mar 4 17:40:56 2006] Kyth tells temheals:7, 'move back out of range' [Sat Mar 4 17:41:07 2006] Kyth tells temheals:7, 'you can be 100' and still not on ramp' Here's Vindy. Kyth thinks it's possible to be in CH range and outside of rampage range. It appears she's right, as she takes ramp, then backs out, and it moves to Cromis. I think it's unlikely that Cromis and Kyth - who are both clerics - started out inside melee range, however. I would say 75' is plausible.
that stuff is from 2003, and its hard to go off of forum posts without evidence from back then (people speculated wayyyy more back then than what you'd get from a member here) anyways someone says If you wanna sway torven you have to parse a couple mobs from live to prove your theory synthetix. If rampage range is set per mob (I believe it is) its unlikely they changed every mob in velious, so you'd have to find some evidence. edit* that posts has this in there They are worried about a cleric being out of CH range when backing up out of melee range? That doesn't make sense, since max melee range is like 30-50? and CH is 100.
Live is where I got the 75 number from. As far as I can tell, everything that ramps has a 75 range on Live. (granted I only checked half a dozen NPCs) It actually will hit the last person on the hate list at unlimited range if it can find nobody in 75 unit range, which I did not implement here. So our rampage is actually more forgiving than Live's is right now.
