Rogue Backstab

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Nemce, Dec 8, 2022.

  1. Nemce

    Nemce Active Member

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    Hello,

    Does anyone know the actual math behind a backstab for aggro generation? It seems a slippery thing to me because there is most certainly a damage component that is at play but I also see mobs flipping on me in groups when I use backstab and miss. Which makes me think that there is a standard hate application seperate from the damage.

    Has any figured out the raw numbers behind this?
     
  2. Gindainy

    Gindainy Well-Known Member

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    I don't know specifically how backstab works, but all other melee the damage is completely irrelevant for aggro calculations. A miss generates the same aggro as a max damage crit. I would assume there is a flat aggro per backstab based on the weapon damage, but I am not sure what the numeric value of that is.
     
  3. Auyster

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  4. pakman

    pakman Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure BS damage wasn't added until after PoP. Only thing I've ever seen mentioning specific values for agro involve spell details on certain weapon procs.
     
  5. Yinikren

    Yinikren Well-Known Member

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    My working theory, without diving too far into complicated math, is that a backstab with a 20 damage mainhand weapon is worth 140 hate. With a 20 damage dagger, backstab is a weapon swing equivalent to a 140 damage weapon, with no damage bonus. What we're unclear on is if there is a bonus for landing the hit or not, since standard melee hate generation is weapondamage+damagebonus per swing.