Open Discussion about Archery and Corners

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Linkamus, Aug 24, 2018.

  1. Ravenwing

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    I will say, though, that I don't remember ever hearing the rangers complain about not being able to hit LMM or Rallos Zek with arrows, and we cornered them both.
     
  2. Foxboxx

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    My memory is iffier on some PoP mobs to be sure. I do know PoTime Saryrn was rarely arrowable and Terris I believe we did not corner. I was able to arrow TZ, though. I cannot say on VZ because I was always on kiter duty. Most flag mobs were arrowable. I cannot recall any particular flag mobs we were unable to arrow.

    My memories of Luclin and VT were the KEI wand dropper being the one that no matter how hard I tried, I could not arrow. I seem to recall others being mostly arrowable. Emp SSRA was another never arrowable one.

    I have no doubts that not all were, and that some efforts were made on Terris and Fennin to give us that extra bit of dps. It's just I know that wasn't the norm, and I was generally quite content with what I could arrow.
     
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  3. sowislifesowislove

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    Well how did this all start? When we’re cornered mobs made 100% not able to hit with arrows. Maybe less forum pop to weigh in at the time? Was it a few individuals that weighed in and remembered rangers complaining about the mobs that would have been killed closer to sunset on TAKP and more easily remembered?
     
  4. Tuluvien

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    Archery hasn't been viable DPS until AAs .I've never much tried to archer most raid mobs yet. Hadn't been aware this was a thing.
     
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  5. Barnd0g

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    All classes have things they want to change, but at the end of the day I think the only fair option is to take the AKurate approach.
     
  6. lurari

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    Archery is presently inAKurate to a high degree, concerning raid mobs.

    The point of the thread was archery, as currently implemented, is inAKurate and nerfed into the ground due to simulating bugged behavior from early spaghetti EQ code.
     
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  7. Barnd0g

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    So I am just suggesting to tweak it if possible to how it was on AK is all.
     
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  8. robregen

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    The inAKuracy would either be err on the easy side (every corner mobs is fixed) or the harder side. We chose the harder side. We are still researching this more as Torven been with the logs and other resources so we may implemented it to a certain degree to AKuracy as Barnd0g says:
     
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  9. Foxboxx

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    I am very thankful for all of you taking the time to continue looking into this. I imagine implementing such bizarre geometry bugs from Pre-OoW EQ (this was far from an AK only issue) will likely be difficult. I hope all that has been said is convincing enough to lean toward the 'easy side' if this is the case.

    I made a ranger here believing I would be similar to my AK self, but this is like if rogue backstab occasionally didn't hit properly from the back, so backstab gets disabled completely. Archery is core to our class, as it was on AK, and going without it would be the most inAkurate thing I've encountered on this server.

    Other classes have nothing this severe effecting them. Nothing possibly comes close.
     
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  10. Tuluvien

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    When things started getting cleaned up like double backstab working, correcting permapac, burning affliction actually working, getting rid of OOR experience I honestly believed that getting rid of the glaring and later-fixed geometry impediment to archery was a no-brainer fix. I firmly believed that it would be fixed as the goal was to iron out the bugs from AK while recreating the heart of the server. Sony fixed this as soon as they were able, a legit and unmistakable bug. That's how I see it.

    Again I love you Dev's, I've never played anywhere that has this sort of dedication from a small team, even on paid servers for official games. You guys do an excellent job and I respect you immensely. I haven't agreed with all of your decisions and I don't agree with this one, but I won't ever leave and consider myself very lucky to have a character and a place here on TAKP.
     
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  11. Bragon

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    Im with tuluvien on this.

    I thought fixing archery was a no brainer.

    Even at its strongest archery never consistantly beat other dps classes. It was fun to play with and wasnt imbalanced.

    There is this feeling that rangers were consistantely smoking other dps classes and that is simply not true. Not on ak and not on live.

    Im going to start parsing different classes rotating their optimal dps combos over long parses snd over bursts and see what we get.

    Spoiler alert: rangers are not going to be above everyone else!
     
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  12. Linkamus

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    I would mirror Fox's sentiments when I say thank you to the devs for taking the time to look into this further.

    Also, that when I rolled here, I expected either similar archery functionality to AK, or even more preferably, the corner bug to be fixed completely. I never expected archery would be even more constrained here than it was on AK. Had I known this ahead of time, would I have rolled a different class? Maybe, I don't know. My ranger blood is pretty strong. I think I might prefer to be an inferior melee class rather than roll a main other than a ranger!

    My opinion still remains that the bug be fixed 100% while archery starts producing proper aggro based on damage done, as this is what happened on live eventually anyway.

    In the mean time, I'll be a sad ranger, but still grateful that TAKP exists, and happy to be here!
     
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  13. Linkamus

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    Looking at some old PoP parses
    I can save you a bit of time. I found some old parses from Temerity rangers on PoP bosses.

    Non trueshot DPS on bosses was about 150-200 DPS.

    Using trueshot on a boss would result in fights at about 250-400 DPS depending on how long the fight was.

    Is this amazing DPS? Yes. Is it game breaking? Nah. Not even close.
     
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  14. Bragon

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    Thats about what i remember parsing on live.


    Wizards and rogues pushed more than that.

    Ill still parse it here to satsfy my curiosity and for science.
     
  15. Tuluvien

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    Knowledge is power!!
     
  16. Haynar

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    Rangers >> Monks
     
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  17. Bragon

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    By about 35 ac haynar!
     
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  18. Tuluvien

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    Also technically this is not a class-specific issue but a geometry issue being recreated that technically effects every melee class that can wield a bow or throw a star. Not that other classes are relying on that ranged attack to make up some DPS.

    Also out of curiosity does this effect bolt spells?
     
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  19. Foxboxx

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    I feel like the myth of overpowered rangers comes from exping in Bastion of Thunder or some such, and watching a ranger with EP bow+AM3/EQ outdpsing their epiced rogue. Lots of old forum discussions you can google up find complaints along those lines. EP bows probably should've been a nofail combine that could only be done in the EPs, and that myth of us being the ultimate dps would've likely never have come about.

    Not sure about Luclin, but pretty confident that in PoP, monk melee outclasses both archery and ranger melee by a decent margin.
     
  20. Haynar

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    Ranger (whining) >> Monk (whining)

    That clearer?
     
  21. Bragon

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    Nah not even close.

    Rangers are more articulate and nicer.

    They should also get bonus points for never comparing anything to p99 at any point in time!!!
     
  22. Tuluvien

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    I'm not whining, I'm indignant.
     
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  23. Haynar

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    Thanks for that. That is about weakest argument of all. Comparing to p99. Thats what you do when you really have no good argument in the first place.

    Lots of logs and parses are being looked at.

    If you leet ranger types had more logs to help back stuff up, would help.
     
  24. Tuluvien

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    We tend to be carefree and whimsicle folk. Mostly elves. Logs seem beurocratic. Beyond my purview
     
  25. Linkamus

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    I will see if I can find some old archery logs. Not sure if I still have them or not.
     
  26. Faults

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    Because rangers are garbage on p99. There are no points awarded. I hope the staff finds out how to implement archery so that rangers don't feel as if their class specific ability is overshadowed by AKuracy.
     
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  27. Linkamus

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    I'm kicking myself right now, because it looks like all of my old logs from the AK days have been wiped. However I did find one old text file on my dust-collecting mac that I created from a log file.

    It's from LMM in 2011 (I guess I added (NUKE) next to damage that came from a nuke instead of archery)

    We definitely cornered him every time. If you turn right, right as you walk into his room, that's the corner we would pull him to.

    Anyway, I'm not sure if this helps or not, but regardless, thanks a lot for taking the time you guys have spent to consider this issue.

    [Thu Nov 17 19:43:33 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 412 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:43:38 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 586 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:43:40 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 273 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:43:44 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 260 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:43:45 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 124 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:43:49 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 412 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:43:50 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 572 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:43:52 2011] You tell temscouts:2, 'Trueshot on --- Lord Mithaniel Marr ---'
    [Thu Nov 17 19:43:53 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 234 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:43:53 2011] You begin casting Guardian of the Forest.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:43:54 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 826 points of damage.
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    [Thu Nov 17 19:44:03 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 122 points of damage.
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    [Thu Nov 17 19:44:06 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 554 points of damage.
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    [Thu Nov 17 19:44:09 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 922 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:44:10 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 1575 points of damage.
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    [Thu Nov 17 19:44:36 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 1494 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:44:41 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 282 points of damage.
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    [Thu Nov 17 19:44:48 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 1113 points of damage.
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    [Thu Nov 17 19:44:53 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 322 points of damage.
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    [Thu Nov 17 19:45:03 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 963 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:45:06 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 922 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:45:07 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 719 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:45:08 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 250 points of damage.
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    [Thu Nov 17 19:45:52 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 874 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:45:53 2011] You lose the concentration to remain in your fighting discipline.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:45:54 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 790 points of damage.
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    [Thu Nov 17 19:46:08 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 833 points of damage. (NUKE)
    [Thu Nov 17 19:46:08 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 152 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:46:12 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 728 points of damage. (NUKE)
    [Thu Nov 17 19:46:13 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 239 points of damage.
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    [Thu Nov 17 19:46:42 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 1470 points of damage. (NUKE)
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    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:15 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 826 points of damage. (NUKE)
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    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:37 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 332 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:38 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 412 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:39 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 340 points of damage. (NUKE)
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:40 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 640 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:43 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 172 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:44 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 132 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:45 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 412 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:46 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 312 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:47 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 140 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:49 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 48 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:50 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 240 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:52 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 424 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:53 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 412 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:56 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 328 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:47:57 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 151 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:48:01 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 56 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:48:02 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 412 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:48:03 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 396 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:48:05 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 36 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:48:06 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 152 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:48:08 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 148 points of damage.
    [Thu Nov 17 19:48:09 2011] Lord Mithaniel Marr was hit by non-melee for 436 points of damage.
     
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  28. Foxboxx

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    Hah, I miss our 2 little nukes! Unfortunately, I was also not a log keeper. All I can do is confirm LMM was definitely a cornered, arrowable mob, and Bertox in the logs Torven posted was also almost certainly cornered at that time. I can add in other mobs we all remember arrowing, such as the 2 blobs before Aten Ha Ra. Really, when chatting about what we could arrow in VT, the KEI wand dropper is the only one we can think of that we could not find a spot to arrow.

    What are you looking for in logs for this? If it is a /loc, I can tell you that my position my position for arrowing changed every fight. I just strafed around until I found the spot, and the rangers I saw around me generally did the same. I wish I had kept logs on. Maybe I'll start now =P.
     
  29. Faults

    Faults I Feel Loved

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    There are some logs from me.
     
  30. Torven

    Torven I Feel Loved

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    Actually we didn't corner Bertox. We didn't have the obsession to corner everything like ya'all do now. I used to post funny mob positions we pushed stuff into on our guild front page.

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