Lull changes

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Darchon, Nov 11, 2018.

  1. Sverder

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    My anecdotal thoughts:

    Pacify resists: I agree the resist code is way too forgiving here. Playing an dwarf paladin way back, I remember asking for CHA buffs at times to improve pacify chances. Breaking a full room was always a cringe worthy event on the first couple of casts. I've used lull line from 15 to 60 here on my dwarf paladin, and I *think* maybe I've had 1 resist the whole way?

    Bash interrupt: My recollection was that level 55 and below mobs could be interrupted 100% of the time with a successful bash/slam. Kick was far less successful. I vaguely remember melee saying that once PC level was 55+, the kick turned into a 100% interrupt as well on below 55 NPCs. 55+ NPCs could still be interrupted with bash/slam, but it wasn't 100%.

    Melee push interrupt: I remember very clearly on HoT raids that gaters would not be cornered so that melee could stack on one side and push. There was no way to stun them, and gates were relatively rare (maybe a couple a night). So, something was interrupting them. Whether it was actually kick/slam/bash and not the push, I couldn't say. Common consensus though was push. Melee push definitely feels too good at interrupting here though. Fighting priest snakes in Ssra, it seems paladin 2H and 1 enchanter animation melee is enough to 100% interrupt CH.

    Stun push: Is the push from spells documented in published data (are we sure it is correct)? Words of Tranquility seems to push half as much as I remember, but I mostly remember using the higher level words of serenity, so maybe there's a difference in push between the two?
     
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  2. Torven

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    I did notice something strange regarding NPC gates: they seem to often fail (perhaps more often than they don't) even when the spell is not interrupted, resulting in the NPC casting the spell repeatedly with no interrupt message. Sony may have had some sort of special logic for this spell. This happens even when the NPC is not hit very much so I doubt displacement is the the cause or at least the sole cause. Sony did count the number of hits against the target when casting spells to determine interrupt chances.

    an ancient guardian wurm is clearly stun immune, and I do see them gate in logs, but they'll probably gate too often if I don't add something.
     
  3. Elroz

    Elroz I Feel Loved Staff Member

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    Agree with RW that you could bash and kick to interrupt through runes, was vital in pvp
     
  4. Elroz

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    Was it 'begins to cast a gate spell' message, followed by 'begins to cast a spell'? I remember an era where oom mobs gave gate message but didnt actually begin to cast. Not sure if that was AK timeframe though
     
  5. showstring

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    I thought that's when the mob was out of mana or something. When you mana drain them so they have no mana to gate, they'll keep casting the spell but failing.
    Or could be something else.
     
  6. Torven

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    Hmm, looks like that's the cause. Strange how they're still 5 seconds apart if they didn't actually start casting
     
  7. Torven

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    So here's what the logs look like after removing the 'fake' gates:

    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 378176 [Wed May 01 00:24:27 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 378177 [Wed May 01 00:24:27 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 3334584 [Sat Jul 20 23:59:37 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 3334585 [Sat Jul 20 23:59:37 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 3334606 [Sat Jul 20 23:59:42 2013] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 3334995 [Sun Jul 21 00:00:33 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 3334996 [Sun Jul 21 00:00:33 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 3335036 [Sun Jul 21 00:00:38 2013] an ancient guardian wurm's casting is interrupted!
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 3335037 [Sun Jul 21 00:00:38 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 3335038 [Sun Jul 21 00:00:38 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 3335093 [Sun Jul 21 00:00:40 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 3335109 [Sun Jul 21 00:00:43 2013] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    eqlog_Nester_52[1-60RNG].txt 628664 [Sat Jun 09 18:08:43 2012] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    eqlog_Nester_52[1-60RNG].txt 628665 [Sat Jun 09 18:08:43 2012] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Nester_52[1-60RNG].txt 628741 [Sat Jun 09 18:08:48 2012] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    eqlog_Nester_52[1-60RNG].txt 997150 [Sat Jun 16 13:36:38 2012] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    eqlog_Nester_52[1-60RNG].txt 997151 [Sat Jun 16 13:36:38 2012] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Nester_52[1-60RNG].txt 997213 [Sat Jun 16 13:36:44 2012] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 367050 [Sat Dec 29 10:17:12 2012] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 367051 [Sat Dec 29 10:17:12 2012] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 407238 [Sat Dec 29 13:48:52 2012] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 407239 [Sat Dec 29 13:48:52 2012] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 407266 [Sat Dec 29 13:48:57 2012] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 545682 [Mon Jan 7 14:21:21 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 545683 [Mon Jan 7 14:21:21 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 545708 [Mon Jan 7 14:21:26 2013] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 667406 [Wed Jan 16 18:30:58 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 667407 [Wed Jan 16 18:30:58 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 667429 [Wed Jan 16 18:31:01 2013] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 721656 [Tue Jan 22 18:31:21 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 721657 [Tue Jan 22 18:31:21 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 721676 [Tue Jan 22 18:31:26 2013] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 912293 [Wed Feb 13 10:18:12 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 912294 [Wed Feb 13 10:18:12 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 912306 [Wed Feb 13 10:18:17 2013] an ancient guardian wurm's casting is interrupted!
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 912307 [Wed Feb 13 10:18:17 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 912308 [Wed Feb 13 10:18:17 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 1575363 [Thu May 30 10:56:20 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 1575364 [Thu May 30 10:56:20 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 1575371 [Thu May 30 10:56:25 2013] an ancient guardian wurm's casting is interrupted!
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 1575372 [Thu May 30 10:56:25 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 1575373 [Thu May 30 10:56:25 2013] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    Frosst\eqlog_Frosst_52_cleaned[65WAR].txt 1575381 [Thu May 30 10:56:30 2013] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    TigerTugger\2008-12_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 528138 [Thu Nov 20 20:57:56 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-12_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 528139 [Thu Nov 20 20:57:56 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-12_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 528170 [Thu Nov 20 20:58:01 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-12_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 528171 [Thu Nov 20 20:58:01 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-12_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 528200 [Thu Nov 20 20:58:06 2008] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    TigerTugger\2008-12_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 562152 [Thu Nov 20 22:42:09 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-12_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 562153 [Thu Nov 20 22:42:09 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-12_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 562204 [Thu Nov 20 22:42:14 2008] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 377193 [Tue Feb 26 20:42:16 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 377194 [Tue Feb 26 20:42:16 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 381538 [Tue Feb 26 21:18:38 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 381539 [Tue Feb 26 21:18:38 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 381578 [Tue Feb 26 21:18:44 2008] an ancient guardian wurm's casting is interrupted!
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 381579 [Tue Feb 26 21:18:44 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 381580 [Tue Feb 26 21:18:44 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 381619 [Tue Feb 26 21:18:49 2008] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 381906 [Tue Feb 26 21:19:22 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 381907 [Tue Feb 26 21:19:22 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 381955 [Tue Feb 26 21:19:27 2008] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 384236 [Tue Feb 26 21:24:49 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 384237 [Tue Feb 26 21:24:49 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 384286 [Tue Feb 26 21:24:54 2008] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 830506 [Thu Apr 3 22:08:52 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 830507 [Thu Apr 3 22:08:52 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    TigerTugger\2008-4_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 830526 [Thu Apr 3 22:08:57 2008] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    TigerTugger\2009-02_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 469533 [Fri Feb 6 00:57:24 2009] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\2009-02_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 469534 [Fri Feb 6 00:57:24 2009] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    TigerTugger\2009-02_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 469537 [Fri Feb 6 00:57:29 2009] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    TigerTugger\2009-02_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 491886 [Fri Feb 6 02:18:03 2009] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\2009-02_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 491887 [Fri Feb 6 02:18:03 2009] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    TigerTugger\2009-02_eqlog_Tigertugger_52.txt 491947 [Fri Feb 6 02:18:08 2009] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    TigerTugger\eqlog_Soylent_52_1.txt 22990 [Thu Apr 3 22:08:52 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\eqlog_Soylent_52_1.txt 22991 [Thu Apr 3 22:08:52 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    TigerTugger\eqlog_Soylent_52_1.txt 22997 [Thu Apr 3 22:08:57 2008] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    TigerTugger\eqlog_Soylent_52_1.txt 580584 [Sun Aug 10 21:48:34 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\eqlog_Soylent_52_1.txt 580587 [Sun Aug 10 21:48:39 2008] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    TigerTugger\eqlog_Soylent_52_1.txt 581305 [Sun Aug 10 22:11:03 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    TigerTugger\eqlog_Soylent_52_1.txt 581306 [Sun Aug 10 22:11:09 2008] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    Zorblak\Dump 1\eqlog_Kyth_52.txt 199053 [Sat Oct 11 17:44:49 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    Zorblak\Dump 1\eqlog_Kyth_52.txt 199054 [Sat Oct 11 17:44:49 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    Zorblak\Dump 1\eqlog_Kyth_52.txt 199068 [Sat Oct 11 17:44:54 2008] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.
    Zorblak\Dump 5\eqlog_Kyth_52.txt 199053 [Sat Oct 11 17:44:49 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast the gate spell.
    Zorblak\Dump 5\eqlog_Kyth_52.txt 199054 [Sat Oct 11 17:44:49 2008] an ancient guardian wurm begins to cast a spell.
    Zorblak\Dump 5\eqlog_Kyth_52.txt 199068 [Sat Oct 11 17:44:54 2008] an ancient guardian wurm Gates.

    I did notice that a lot of wurms had run out of mana. Frosst's group was sieving them because clearly they were not interrupting them very often. I'll have to check the combat mana regen on NPCs to make sure it's not too high.
     
  8. Haynar

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    Maybe mobs have a min interval between checks to cast gate of 5 sec?
     
  9. Torven

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    I just coded that actually
     
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  10. Devour_Souls

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    While we are on the subject, cleric trash mobs in ssra are channeling through bash while casting CH. I haven't seen any other spells being channeled through a successful bash. I am nearly certain that a successful bash on AK would interrupt CH with 100 percent success rate on trash snakes in Ssra. Based on my experience on TAKP, I don't think I have successfully bashed a CH into interruption once. Every other spell seems to interrupt instantly on a successful bash. Which is a bit puzzling, almost like there is a special category for CH.
     
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  11. showstring

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    shissar priests and templars are higher lvl than 55, so same stun immunity rules should apply as other high lvl mobs and for all spells
    gotta use push / melee to interrupt (until next patch), or use high lvl mez spells or special paladin stuns
     
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  12. Torven

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    I don't know how many times I have to say this: non-stunning bashes can still interrupt, it's just not a 100% chance.

    The logic we're currently using for PCs vs. NPCs is this:
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    which is something I came up with in 2015 but the confidence in this is low. This kind of data is very time consuming to dig from logs. I had checked how often my Paladin's bashes interrupted level 60ish NPCs and came up with 15 times out of 35 hits; that plus some user's comments in a thread is how I came up with that. That could be too generous for all I know. (wouldn't be surprised)

    I honestly don't know if bash stuns should still land on level 56+ NPCs. I'm not sure that's provable since non-stunning bashes still interrupt.
     
  13. Devour_Souls

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    They were bash interruptible on AK, they should be here too.
     
  14. Kagatob

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    I'm not seeing any mention of spells such as the lvl 64 Wizard spell: Telekin which could stun 55+ mobs (up to level 65) as well as bypass various general stun immunities for example stun all Kunark giants, Velious wurms, and pretty much any stun immune named that wasn't a raid boss, though I do recall in the case of giants/wurms the stun was mitigated to 4 or 6 seconds.
     
  15. Walex

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    I must be missing something, Torven. I don't see any evidence in your logs that says pushing mobs should have zero effect on NPC interrupts. It was pretty common knowledge that for mobs like HoT wurms, pushing or sieving was the best strategy. Even so, pushing was never a 100% chance to interrupt and there was always the occasional mob gate or CH.

    Your logs also support the idea that pushing gives a chance to interrupt, although never 100%, which is much more consistent with my recollection, and evidently that of others here as well.

    I'll agree that the current code is broken and it's far too easy to interrupt with pushing, but it should not be impossible.
     
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  16. Torven

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    More data, VT mobs from Layonhands' log, which had other's hits on; also some of mine:

    Zun (level 61 NPCs) cast attempts: 364 (this includes buffs and word of command)
    Bashes on Zuns, excluding warrior and rogue Zuns: 274
    Zun gates: 2
    Zun Thalls complete healing themselves: 2
    Zun regains concentrations: 34
    Zun spell cast interruptions: 51
    Interruptions from Divine Stun: 10
    Interruptions from level 61 Mage pet: 5
    Interruptions from PoP stun spells: 18
    Interruptions from bash or kick: 12 (none from pets)
    Interruptions from melee: 4 (3 from paladin mobs, 1 from SK mob; casting spells lasting from 2-4 seconds)
    Interruptions from unknown source: 2
    - paladin mob looked out of melee msg range, 2s cast
    - cleric mob was in range but log showed no hits or spells on it; 7s cast

    Pli (level 64 NPCs) cast attempts: 279 (this includes buffs and word of command)
    Bashes on Plis, excluding warrior and rogue Plis: 339
    Pli gates: 0
    Pli Thalls complete healing themselves: 1
    Pli regains concentrations: 32
    Pli spell cast interruptions: 42
    Interruptions from Divine Stun: 8
    Interruptions from level 61 Mage pet: 10
    Interruptions from PoP stun spells: 14
    Interruptions from bash or kick: 9 (none from pets)
    Interruptions from melee: 1 (Paladin NPC, 3s cast)

    Eom (level 66 NPCs) cast attempts: 303 (this includes buffs and word of command)
    Bashes on Eoms, excluding warrior and rogue Eoms: 186
    Eom gates: 3 (126 combined total hits against these Eoms during these casts)
    Eom Thalls complete healing themselves: 6
    Eom regains concentrations: 35
    Eom spell cast interruptions: 22
    Interruptions from Divine Stun: 10
    Interruptions from level 61 Mage pet: 9
    Interruptions from bash or kick: 0
    Interruptions from melee: 2
    - One interrupt occurred 3 seconds after cast (Paladin NPC)
    - One interrupt occurred 3 seconds after cast (SK NPC)
    Interruptions from unknown cause: 1
    - One interrupt occurred 1 second after cast (Paladin NPC) with no hits or spells on it


    Plane of Fire level 68 NPCs - Doomfire Charmer, Doomfire Chaplain, Doomfire Wizard (from my logs, mid 2003 era)
    Total cast attempts: 436 (includes buffs)
    "A doomfire chaplain is completely healed": 11
    Bashes: 212
    Regains concentrations: 88
    Interrupts: 2 (one from a bash, the other from apparently melee; both on charmers)

    Observations:

    * Interestingly virtually all (if not all) the interrupts on VT mobs from melee were on knights. Some of them weren't even hit much.
    * Pets were not interrupting Zuns and higher, but they were interrupting Quas and Zovs (mind you these are PoP pets even)
    * PC bashes clearly interrupt less on higher level NPCs. I did find some bashes on Zuns that did not interrupt spells. (these are level 65 PCs remember)
    * Now I know why air pets were used in VT instead of water pets.

    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 286767 [Sun Apr 28 15:06:37 2013] Zun Thall Xakra begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 286773 [Sun Apr 28 15:06:38 2013] Zebaner bashes Zun Thall Xakra for 24 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 286791 [Sun Apr 28 15:06:39 2013] Zun Thall Xakra's casting is interrupted!
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 286792 [Sun Apr 28 15:06:39 2013] Zun Thall Xakra is stunned by a gust of air.

    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 286913 [Sun Apr 28 15:06:49 2013] Zun Thall Xakra begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 286947 [Sun Apr 28 15:06:52 2013] Ganer bashes Zun Thall Xakra for 17 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 286961 [Sun Apr 28 15:06:52 2013] Xibantik bashes Zun Thall Xakra for 14 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 286973 [Sun Apr 28 15:06:53 2013] Zun Thall Xakra regains concentration and continues casting.

    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 286976 [Sun Apr 28 15:06:53 2013] Zun Thall Xakra begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 287001 [Sun Apr 28 15:06:55 2013] Garab bashes Zun Thall Xakra for 25 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 287029 [Sun Apr 28 15:06:56 2013] Ganer bashes Zun Thall Xakra for 24 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 287044 [Sun Apr 28 15:06:57 2013] Xibantik bashes Zun Thall Xakra for 20 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 287082 [Sun Apr 28 15:07:00 2013] Zun Thall Xakra's casting is interrupted!
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 287083 [Sun Apr 28 15:07:00 2013] Zun Thall Xakra is stunned by Divine Power.

    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 2110304 [Wed Jun 26 21:57:52 2013] Zun Thall Xakra begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 2110328 [Wed Jun 26 21:57:53 2013] Gobantik bashes Zun Thall Xakra for 29 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 2110360 [Wed Jun 26 21:57:55 2013] Zun Thall Xakra's casting is interrupted!
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 2110361 [Wed Jun 26 21:57:55 2013] Zun Thall Xakra is stunned by a gust of air.

    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 2895530 [Thu Jul 11 15:40:47 2013] Zun Zethon Xakra begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 2895556 [Thu Jul 11 15:40:48 2013] Jibeker kicks Zun Zethon Xakra for 21 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 2895561 [Thu Jul 11 15:40:48 2013] Jobobn bashes Zun Zethon Xakra for 13 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 2895566 [Thu Jul 11 15:40:49 2013] Zun Zethon Xakra's casting is interrupted!
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 2895567 [Thu Jul 11 15:40:49 2013] Zun Zethon Xakra is stunned by Divine Power.

    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 2895797 [Thu Jul 11 15:41:02 2013] Zun Zethon Xakra begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 2895817 [Thu Jul 11 15:41:03 2013] Jobobn kicks Zun Zethon Xakra for 24 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 2895849 [Thu Jul 11 15:41:05 2013] Zun Zethon Xakra's casting is interrupted!
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 2895850 [Thu Jul 11 15:41:05 2013] Zun Zethon Xakra is stunned by Divine Power.

    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 4283906 [Thu Aug 08 16:48:20 2013] Zun Liako begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 4283962 [Thu Aug 08 16:48:23 2013] Gontik kicks Zun Liako for 17 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 4283989 [Thu Aug 08 16:48:24 2013] Zun Liako's casting is interrupted!
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 4283990 [Thu Aug 08 16:48:24 2013] Zun Liako is struck by a sudden force.

    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5236690 [Tue Aug 20 17:22:30 2013] Zun Thall Xakra begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5236741 [Tue Aug 20 17:22:34 2013] Manlee bashes Zun Thall Xakra for 6 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5236781 [Tue Aug 20 17:22:35 2013] Zun Thall Xakra regains concentration and continues casting.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5236782 [Tue Aug 20 17:22:35 2013] Manlee has been struck by the judgement of the gods.

    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5237936 [Tue Aug 20 17:23:59 2013] Zun Thall Xakra begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5237938 [Tue Aug 20 17:23:59 2013] Xarartik bashes Zun Thall Xakra for 15 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5237957 [Tue Aug 20 17:24:02 2013] Zun Thall Xakra's casting is interrupted!
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5237958 [Tue Aug 20 17:24:02 2013] Zun Thall Xakra is stunned by Divine Power.

    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5238074 [Tue Aug 20 17:24:14 2013] Zun Thall Xakra begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5238094 [Tue Aug 20 17:24:16 2013] Xarartik bashes Zun Thall Xakra for 18 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5238113 [Tue Aug 20 17:24:17 2013] Zun Thall Xakra regains concentration and continues casting.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5238129 [Tue Aug 20 17:24:21 2013] Zun Thall Xakra is struck by a sudden force.

    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5246012 [Tue Aug 20 17:42:48 2013] Zun Liako Xakra begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5246025 [Tue Aug 20 17:42:49 2013] Kazlan bashes Zun Liako Xakra for 42 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 5246060 [Tue Aug 20 17:42:51 2013] Zun Liako Xakra regains concentration and continues casting.

    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 255998 [Sun Apr 28 14:37:41 2013] Eom Thall Xakra begins to cast a spell.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 256098 [Sun Apr 28 14:37:47 2013] Manlee bashes Eom Thall Xakra for 3 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 256120 [Sun Apr 28 14:37:48 2013] Xibantik bashes Eom Thall Xakra for 21 points of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 256145 [Sun Apr 28 14:37:50 2013] Thuule bashes Eom Thall Xakra for 1 point of damage.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 256166 [Sun Apr 28 14:37:51 2013] Eom Thall Xakra regains concentration and continues casting.
    eqlog_Layonhands_52[65PAL].txt 256167 [Sun Apr 28 14:37:51 2013] Eom Thall Xakra is completely healed.
     
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  17. Mokli

    Mokli I Feel Loved

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    Concerning this:
    * Level difference modifier removed for Lull spell resist rolls. This still needs more research and may change again.

    More or less resists after this? Not sure if the modifier was helping or hurting us before and was vague on it.
    Also, i'm assuming Harmony of Nature is not affected or changed.
     
  18. Devour_Souls

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    That seems a bit aggressive. Would you consider a more subtle change? Perhaps decreasing the difference modifier and then reevaluating?
     
  19. Darchon

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    Nothing gets people researching like several deaths to critical lull resists.
     
  20. Haynar

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    Plan ahead. Camp that coth bot first.
     
  21. Darchon

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    Corpse runs build character.

    Some of the most fun I had on this server was in the low 40s on my trio when I wiped at Efreeti in Sol B. I spent 2-3 days and probably 15 more deaths recovering those corpses by crawling up with no gear.
     
  22. Torven

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    I found a lull resist in a log with a cast on a mob 6 or 7 levels under the caster, which would have been impossible with our logic. As I said in the notes, more changes are likely. (which could mean a less impactful nerf) I'm going to work more on this today.

    Aggro chance at max charisma is less than 2% per cast, so it's not exactly making the spells useless.
     
  23. Mokli

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    Does this affect HoN? Because the harmony line has always been a much safer bet on live than pacify line.
     
  24. Haynar

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    You mean buying coffins?
     
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  25. Torven

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    Dev server changes don't always go live. I should have waited before putting that change in as it didn't take long to disprove. Actually I think I may have goofed and the cast I found earlier was within 5 levels. I'm going to spend all day looking at this to be sure. I didn't have these logs in 2015.

    Admittedly us devs are too eager to nerf this ability.
     
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  26. showstring

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    Raev is that you?
     
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  27. Torven

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    I looked at this carefully and it seems our current lull resist logic is accurate, so that's not going to change. I screwed up and didn't look closely enough before opening my mouth. I always check much more carefully than that before pushing code live though.
     
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  28. Slayzz

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    On a total side note... I know everything but classic type zones are unavailable for dev server now but I tried to log in the other day and it wasn’t working....

    Is it still live and working? I followed the procedure I had done before which was just switching the .net to .org or whatever it is but it wouldn’t log in.

    Has anything changed? Or am I just an idiot and doing something wrong lol
     
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