From Dev Forums: * Lull spells no longer aggro lull immune NPCs. * Lull spells landing on immune NPCs now display a 'not affected' message. ——————— Is this something deemed necessary for balance? I know this is how Live EQ currently functions but on AK it was not. What we have currently is the AKurate implementation of Lull vs Lull immune mobs. On AK it was used rarely at the end to grief people due to the perma pacify bug making pacify immune mobs have infinite assist radius if you tried to pacify them. We don’t have this bug though so this isn’t an issue. But it was also used to aggro mobs you couldn’t see which can be done just as easily with a pet, so I’m not sure I see any balance issue here in this change. Full disclosure I generally use Pacify to pull Praesertum so that I don’t risk eating a banish and having to run back. If this changes it’s not a big deal I’ll probably just send a pet and do the same thing. But that’s about the only area I try to pacify immune mobs to aggro them. Not sure if someone is using it for something more worthy of a nerf, but I can’t think of anything so egregious to warrant going inAKurate.
I'm more concerned about the NPC casting interruption changes. Where did this come from? * NPCs will no longer have casts interrupted from being pushed. (stuns will of course still work) * NPCs are now considerably harder to interrupt with melee. how the heck are you supposed to interrupt unstunnable mobs
Not according to the enchanter log I looked at, which shows fails like this: [Fri Feb 1 01:33:04 2013] You begin casting Pacify. [Fri Feb 1 01:33:07 2013] Your target looks unaffected. [Fri Feb 1 01:33:07 2013] Your target looks unaffected. [Fri Feb 1 01:33:07 2013] An obsolete model looks less aggressive. And shows no signs of aggroing after each fail. If you can explain how it functioned with more detail, I'm all ears. Our channeling code was very old stock EQEmu code pulled out of the air and was inaccurate. NPCs play by different rules. (old Rashere comments verify this) I went on Live just to see how it's done there and I could not interrupt a level 12 NPC wielding a combine dagger + efreeti standard after 30 minutes of melee and 330 casts. Of course they aren't pushed there, but the hits themselves trigger rolls. That NPC regained concentration 100% and most hits didn't trigger a channeling roll at all. I also tried casting push spells which prevented nothing. AK logs were used as my primary source as you would expect however. Interrupts were possible but rare and extremely rare at high levels. Some examples: level 73 ranger NPC Emmerik Skyfury begins to cast a spell. (150) Emmerik Skyfury regains concentration and continues casting. (18; 12%) Emmerik Skyfury's casting is interrupted! (1; 0.6%) level 70 Cazic Thule begins to cast a spell. (269) Cazic Thule regains concentration and continues casting. (45; 16.7%) Cazic Thule's casting is interrupted! (12; 4.5%) level 67 Auliffe Chaoswind regains concentration and continues casting. (36; 23.3%) Auliffe Chaoswind's casting is interrupted! (no sign of stun) (2; 1.3%) level 66 Praesertum Matpa begins to cast a spell. (53) Praesertum Matpa regains concentration and continues casting. (15; 28%) (no interrupts) NPC stun immunity is actually somewhat rare. If you find stun immune NPCs that look like they shouldn't be, you should probably bring those to my attention. I fixed some erroneously flagged NPCs in vexthal yesterday. Bash can still interrupt stun immune NPCs, btw. PC channeling is now using code found in a client decompile, so the accuracy on that is rather high. In fact it indicates that the channeling focus AA is so good that it leaves me wondering, but it's such strong evidence that I can't ignore it.
The examples that you used are raid mobs, that are typically corner tanked and not pushed I assume. Normal trash that gates is actively pushed by all melees getting on one side of it, such as white wurms in halls of testing. They are unstunnable due to being wurms, and we get all melee damage (incl pets) to one side and melee push them to prevent gate. Do you have any logs for interrupts for "an ancient guardian wurm" or "an ancient frost guardian", or "Adjutant ..." mobs in Kael? How about Tolapumj? Obviously raids won't have much problem with these, but a duo/trio box crew is going to struggle. Vex Thal is also going to be interesting. Is "Quellious' Word of Tranquility" only way to interrupt these mobs gating now?
The live current functionality, is that Lull spells fail to even begin casting versus mobs who are lull immune and it gives back that unaffected message. On AK, as your logs show, lull goes through the full cast, lands, and THEN tells you that it doesn't work on the target. However these mobs should still be able to resist said lull spells and the regular resist aggro code should apply to these resists. Typically, mobs you are trying to lull are blue cons or lower (like the log you show) which gives them a very low chance of resisting and aggroing off the resist.
Emmerik Skyfury and Auliffe Chaoswind are certainly not corner tanked. This is the kind of thing I found in logs: Spoiler [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Zun Thall begins to cast the gate spell. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Zun Thall begins to cast a spell. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Jahchoo punches Pli Senshali Xakra for 81 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Souske hits Zun Thall for 108 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Smackage crushes Pli Senshali Xakra for 89 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Smackage crushes Pli Senshali Xakra for 54 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Qua Thall Xakra begins to cast a spell. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Souske begins to cast a spell. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Zun Thall glances nervously about. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Jikasoz punches Zun Thall for 42 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] You can't use that command right now... [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Velious slashes Zun Thall for 124 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Zov Senshali is struck by a sudden force. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Jibeker slashes Zun Thall for 50 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Jibeker slashes Zun Thall for 23 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Velious slashes Zun Thall for 85 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Velious slashes Zun Thall for 43 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:36 2013] Agia tells the guild, 'hey Beaster' [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] You begin casting Divine Stun. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Guero slashes Zun Thall for 78 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Supernal elixir pumps through your body. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Guero slashes Zun Thall for 32 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] You can use the ability Divine Stun again in 0 minute(s) 9 seconds. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Kazlan slashes Qua Thall Xakra for 95 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Jahchoo punches Pli Senshali Xakra for 90 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Jobobn slashes Pli Senshali Xakra for 31 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Jikasoz punches Zun Thall for 52 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Jikasoz punches Zun Thall for 45 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Orkin slashes Zun Thall for 60 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Chewbecca crushes Zun Va Liako for 385 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Manbearpig slashes Zun Thall for 61 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Spaide crushes Zun Va Liako for 102 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Majo slashes Zun Thall for 37 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Majo slashes Zun Thall for 39 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Agia pierces Zun Thall for 95 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Agia pierces Zun Thall for 22 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Buenivere crushes Zun Thall for 312 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Buenivere crushes Zun Thall for 113 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Ultra slashes Zun Thall for 72 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Zuldane slashes Zov Senshali for 18 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Zuldane slashes Zov Senshali for 46 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Velious slashes Zun Thall for 38 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Velious slashes Zun Thall for 68 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Velious slashes Zun Thall for 45 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:37 2013] Guero slashes Zun Thall for 108 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Guero slashes Zun Thall for 82 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Crawfish begins to cast a spell. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Manbearpig kicks Zun Thall for 20 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Burl begins to cast a spell. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Zun Thall staggers as a frost spear slams against them. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Souske crushes Zun Thall for 68 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Jibeker slashes Zun Thall for 23 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Jibeker slashes Zun Thall for 56 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Jibeker slashes Zun Thall for 56 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] A flame of divine light erupts around you. You have taken 119 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Kazlan slashes Qua Thall Xakra for 92 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Pouky begins to cast a spell. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Muess begins to cast a spell. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Jahchoo punches Pli Senshali Xakra for 55 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Smackage crushes Pli Senshali Xakra for 68 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Smackage slashes Pli Senshali Xakra for 22 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Majo slashes Zun Thall for 67 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Zov Senshali is stunned by Divine Power. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Pli Senshali Xakra hits Pouky for 272 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Agia pierces Zun Thall for 65 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Agia pierces Zun Thall for 102 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Jikasoz punches Zun Thall for 114 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Jobn bites Zun Thall for 19 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Agia pierces Zun Thall for 18 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Manbearpig slashes Zun Thall for 71 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Manbearpig slashes Zun Thall for 21 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Spaide crushes Zun Va Liako for 63 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Guero slashes Zun Thall for 79 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Velious slashes Zun Thall for 46 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Ultra slashes Zun Thall for 1 point of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Destrouzo begins to cast a spell. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Zuldane slashes Zov Senshali for 102 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Velious slashes Zun Thall for 119 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Pli Liako Xakra was hit by non-melee for 18 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:38 2013] Pli Liako Xakra hits YOU for 260 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Jobobn slashes Pli Senshali Xakra for 60 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Jobobn slashes Pli Senshali Xakra for 60 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Jobobn slashes Pli Senshali Xakra for 48 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Zun Thall is surrounded in a solar vortex. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Souske hits Zun Thall for 74 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Souske hits Zun Thall for 37 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Kazlan slashes Qua Thall Xakra for 193 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Majo slashes Zun Thall for 83 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Majo slashes Zun Thall for 17 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Pli Senshali Xakra is struck by a sudden force. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Pouky crushes Pli Senshali Xakra for 23 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Pouky crushes Pli Senshali Xakra for 18 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Majo begins to cast a spell. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Jahchoo punches Pli Senshali Xakra for 102 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Zun Va Liako is struck by spines. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Guero slashes Zun Thall for 8 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Agia pierces Zun Thall for 31 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Ultra slashes Zun Thall for 96 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Smackage crushes Pli Senshali Xakra for 30 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Smackage crushes Pli Senshali Xakra for 89 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Imorthon begins to cast a spell. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Zun Va Liako is struck by a sudden force. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Jikasoz punches Zun Thall for 51 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Agia pierces Zun Thall for 32 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Buenivere crushes Zun Thall for 273 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Velious slashes Zun Thall for 108 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Velious slashes Zun Thall for 83 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Ultra slashes Zun Thall for 26 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Jibeker slashes Zun Thall for 46 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Jibeker slashes Zun Thall for 33 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Jibeker slashes Zun Thall for 60 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Chewbecca crushes Zun Va Liako for 182 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Manbearpig slashes Zun Thall for 102 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Spaide crushes Zun Va Liako for 27 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Zuldane slashes Zov Senshali for 31 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:39 2013] Kazolo slashes Zun Thall for 249 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] You haven't recovered yet... [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] You haven't recovered yet... [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] You begin casting Desist. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Ultra slashes Zun Thall for 72 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] You haven't recovered yet... [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] You haven't recovered yet... [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Jahchoo punches Pli Senshali Xakra for 64 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] You haven't recovered yet... [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Smackage slashes Pli Senshali Xakra for 77 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Smackage slashes Pli Senshali Xakra for 67 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Zov Senshali feels annulled. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] You haven't recovered yet... [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] You haven't recovered yet... [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Zun Thall is struck by the destruction of ice. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Jobobn says 'Sorry, Master..calming down.' [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Guero slashes Zun Thall for 62 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Velious slashes Zun Thall for 100 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Crawfish slashes Zun Va Liako for 72 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Crawfish slashes Zun Va Liako for 52 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Ultra slashes Zun Thall for 5 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Pouky crushes Pli Senshali Xakra for 57 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:40 2013] Zuldane slashes Zov Senshali for 78 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:41 2013] Manbearpig slashes Zun Thall for 95 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:41 2013] Souske crushes Zun Thall for 22 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:41 2013] Kazlan slashes Qua Thall Xakra for 114 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:41 2013] Kazlan slashes Qua Thall Xakra for 59 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:41 2013] Velious slashes Zun Thall for 65 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:41 2013] Jahchoo punches Pli Senshali Xakra for 77 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:41 2013] Ultra slashes Zun Thall for 96 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:41 2013] Ultra slashes Zun Thall for 41 points of damage. [Thu Jul 11 15:51:41 2013] Zun Thall Gates. (note the lack of 'regains concentration') The previous code was causing virtually all NPC spells to fail by pushing them a mere 2 units and all of them to fail if pushed 3+ units. A single cast of a level 12 wizard DD pushes two units. A single dragon punch would interrupt all NPC spells. That's super broken. Speaking of dragon punch (pushes 3 units with AA), I found this 2003 comment about it: > I originally got it because I thought it an ideal way to stop mob > casters. Despite the fact it stops pretty much all PC spells (in test > duels), it works maybe 1% of the time on NPCs. > > It has 1 use - the knockback allows you to position and push mobs (on > raids). For that its pretty nice I suppose. I also checked logs for some mid-20s level NPCs. Logs are much thinner for lower level content, but the interrupt+regains rate was about equal to that of Live's for the level 12 NPC I parsed, which was about 30%. AK NPCs did have a chance to interrupt instead of regain concentration 100% though. It's important to note that just because a NPC is a giant or wurm model that does not mean they should be stun immune. Many NPCs of those types are stunnable.
This is how i've always dealt with wurms and Kael healers on AK and here. Push push push push with melees and spells. There's no way this didn't work at all.
I don't have logs to back this up, but I am as certain as I can be that pacify worked like this: 1. Perform resist/critical resist check 2. If pacify is not resisted, return "unaffected" message if target is immune or out of level range. So you could get a resist, or a critical resist, casting on an immune mob. The unaffected message only triggered if pacify was successful.
I can attest to dragon punch almost never interrupting casts. It was always difficult to actually interrupt npcs as a monk. Usually had to run them oom, which will happen quicker with this change also.
Ya I’m almost 100% sure push always worked. If push doesn’t work and a mob is above lvl 55, how else are you supposed to interrupt a lvl 55+ mobs CHs etc. I vividly remember using knockback type spells to interrupt casts. Maybe it’s that the number of units is off but I am very confident that push worked at some level
Unstunnable NPCs channeled spells pretty effectively through bashes, kicks, and a whole lot of push. You could kick, bash, and push Gorenaire halfway from the tunnel entrance to Karnor's Castle and she'd still channel 10-second CH spells as often as not. [Mon May 6 21:28:41 2013] Eom Liako begins to cast a spell. [Mon May 6 21:28:41 2013] Barffer slashes Pli Va Liako for 102 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:41 2013] Shortok bashes Eom Liako for 4 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:41 2013] Lurari punches Eom Liako for 15 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:41 2013] Lassua crushes Eom Liako for 83 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:41 2013] Lassua crushes Eom Liako for 18 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:41 2013] Lassua pierces Eom Liako for 32 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:41 2013] Lassua backstabs Eom Liako for 253 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:41 2013] Jabarn hits Eom Liako for 22 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:41 2013] Yinn crushes Eom Liako for 122 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:41 2013] Yinn crushes Eom Liako for 95 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:42 2013] Yinn kicks Eom Liako for 80 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:42 2013] Yinn kicks Eom Liako for 5 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:42 2013] Shortok crushes Eom Liako for 3 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:42 2013] Performer crushes Eom Liako for 42 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:42 2013] Barffer slashes Pli Va Liako for 33 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:42 2013] Lassua crushes Eom Liako for 34 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:42 2013] Lassua pierces Eom Liako for 120 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:42 2013] Lassua pierces Eom Liako for 17 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:42 2013] Lurari punches Eom Liako for 85 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:42 2013] Lurari punches Eom Liako for 49 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:42 2013] Barffer slashes Pli Va Liako for 1 point of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:42 2013] Jenarn slashes Eom Liako for 80 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Maximoose slashes Eom Liako for 57 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Maximoose crushes Eom Liako for 53 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Mienae slashes Eom Liako for 64 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Lurari`s warder bites Eom Liako for 20 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Jabarn hits Eom Liako for 61 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Jabarn hits Eom Liako for 22 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Lenarer slices Eom Liako for 28 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Lenarer slices Eom Liako for 53 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Eom Liako staggers. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Lenarer staggers. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Lenarer slices Eom Liako for 20 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Mienae slashes Eom Liako for 33 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Lassua crushes Eom Liako for 17 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Lassua crushes Eom Liako for 11 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Barffer slashes Pli Va Liako for 15 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Barffer slashes Pli Va Liako for 74 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Lurari`s warder bashes Eom Liako for 18 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Nester crushes Eom Liako for 4 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Nester crushes Eom Liako for 49 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Nester Scores a critical hit!(75) [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Nester crushes Eom Liako for 75 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Lurari pierces Eom Liako for 19 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Lurari punches Eom Liako for 19 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:43 2013] Nydi performs an exceptional heal! (400) [Mon May 6 21:28:44 2013] Maximoose slashes Eom Liako for 36 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:44 2013] Maximoose crushes Eom Liako for 15 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:44 2013] Performer crushes Eom Liako for 59 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:44 2013] Barffer slashes Pli Va Liako for 14 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:44 2013] Mienae Scores a critical hit!(55) [Mon May 6 21:28:44 2013] Mienae slashes Eom Liako for 55 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:44 2013] Lassua pierces Eom Liako for 52 points of damage. [Mon May 6 21:28:44 2013] Eom Liako regains concentration and continues casting. [Mon May 6 21:28:44 2013] Pli Va Liako is washed over by the healing wave of Prexus. [Mon May 6 21:28:44 2013] Eom Liako is washed over by the healing wave of Prexus.
Thanks for the research on channeling, guys. I'm consistently amazed at how much I still have to learn about EQ, even after all these years, and at the extent our devs go to to make TAKP mechanics accurate. /bow Time to grind some channeling AAs!
Huh, I guess the interrupt is a separate roll? I'm going off memory killing those cleric mushrooms down in Sebilis, which seemed to get interrupted on every bash that landed. Guessing maybe the chance to interrupt is a function of mob hp or lvl?
Sometimes it would deliver the unaffected message and mob would still aggro without the resist. It was very, very rare though. Are we not already getting the unaffected message? Some pac immune mobs are currently displaying a successful pac when there is none.
Those shrooms are stunnable and almost all level 55 or below (0% of priests and 25% of adepts are level 56). So bash probably did interrupt most of them 100% of the time.
I'll put back in aggro checks on immune NPCs unless I find something more definitive. Making me look for lulls in newer logs had me discover that our lull resist checks are too forgiving however, so I'll have to adjust that. As for bash interrupts: bash can still interrupt even if it doesn't stun. The function for this roll is unknown and current logic is extremely crude and based on some anecdote from an AK player in my feedback thread in 2015. It's clearly derived from NPC level and/or level difference though.
This has long been my gut feeling, but I always figured it was biased by the fact that I was used to paccing mobs closer to my own level in PoP. In any case, this is probably a healthy change.
While we're talking channeling, btw, I wonder how runes, push and interrupts should interact. Should melee through a rune push the runed player? Should swings absorbed by runes have a chance to interrupt? What about bashes and kicks? As an AK chanter main, I spent a ton of time rune tanking. My intuition is that melee through a rune shouldn't push, and (probably?) shouldn't have an interrupt chance. Of course, that intuition's based on fuzzy AK memories from many years ago. Also, a lot of the spells I cast while runed were instant! (Rune refreshes.) I'd love to know how this works on Live, or worked on AK.
I don't believe runed players get pushed by melee, but they can still be interrupted even by non-bash/kick/stun melee attacks. (I would speculate that rune's no-push effect does improve your odds of channeling, but who knows.) [Thu May 9 21:00:53 2013] You begin casting Ancient: Eternal Rapture. [Thu May 9 21:00:54 2013] Klazaz the Slayer tries to hit YOU, but misses! [Thu May 9 21:00:55 2013] Rukuraz begins to cast a spell. [Thu May 9 21:00:55 2013] Heriz the Malignant hits Zemos for 110 points of damage. [Thu May 9 21:00:55 2013] Klazaz the Slayer tries to hit YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow! [Thu May 9 21:00:55 2013] Klazaz the Slayer tries to hit YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow! [Thu May 9 21:00:55 2013] Klazaz the Slayer tries to hit YOU, but misses! [Thu May 9 21:00:55 2013] Nilasz the Devourer hits Bromgok for 125 points of damage. [Thu May 9 21:00:56 2013] Klazaz the Slayer tries to hit YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow! [Thu May 9 21:00:56 2013] Klazaz the Slayer tries to hit YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow! [Thu May 9 21:00:56 2013] Your spell is interrupted.
I could be wrong, but I anecdotally believe that runes stopped all physical effects from doing anything until they were gone
They stopped you from being pushed (very helpful underwater!), and they stopped NPCs from proccing on you (since NPC hits, unlike PC hits, have to connect to have a chance to proc). They also stopped melee hits from forcing you to stand (and thus interrupting camping or spell memorization). They didn't prevent you from being interrupted by melee or stunned by a kick or bash, though: [Thu May 9 21:08:58 2013] Klazaz the Slayer tries to hit YOU, but misses! [Thu May 9 21:08:58 2013] Klazaz the Slayer tries to hit YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow! [Thu May 9 21:08:58 2013] Klazaz the Slayer tries to hit YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow! [Thu May 9 21:08:58 2013] You are stunned! [Thu May 9 21:08:58 2013] Klazaz the Slayer tries to kick YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow! [Thu May 9 21:08:58 2013] Klazaz the Slayer tries to kick YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow! [Thu May 9 21:08:59 2013] Klazaz the Slayer tries to hit YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
Mackal told me (the guy who did the decompile) that spells fail 100% if you're pushed more than one unit from the start of the cast. (Rashere also mentioned this, but did not mention the distance) But our older client uses integers for player location so for us it has to be somewhere between 1-2 units depending on where you're standing. Using ints for player location always seemed nutty to me, but packets aren't my department. push on players is done on the client
That doesn't surprise me. Certainly, underwater, where the effects of NPC push are magnified, it's very, very hard to channel spells with anything hitting you at all.
I was getting spells off underwater while testing my code. If anything I think our code is more forgiving compared to the logs I examined; but my frame rate was 60+ and I'm quite sure it was not that high for the people in the logs.
