This is all great work! For spell buffs, I have a tab on my old tool. It would need to be updated for the level 65 spells, but should save you some time doing background research. I also have agility coded that you can borrow the calc from. There are a couple quasi-relevant clicks (Protection/Form of Defense, arguably outside of raids Dain's hammer click for Major Shielding). Big thing to watch out for around spells is how different classes get different returns to their buffed AC (you may have implemented this already, sorry I didn't check!). Ironically, silkies get more benefits from their buffed AC as a general rule.
Would be more cool if you omitted the "link" and made the URL static up to the '=' and allowed players to merely enter the toons name. Easy enough to just replace the name, but elegance is bliss.
That's a good call, and it's something that already crossed my mind. I'm having trouble concatenating inside of the "=importxml" formulas. It's probably something simple that I'm missing. I looked at your agility briefly, but I wasn't able to figure out the formula. More specifically, how does your formula evaluate to line 6 in the wiki "If your agility is over 70, add agility / 20"? I do have the AC values from spells affect silkies differently from the others. I think there were just two formulas. I'm planning on using the spell AC values that you've already imported. Thanks for those and your other suggestions.
It's been a long time since I looked at this stuff, but I think @Torven said the agility formula changed sometime after TAKP source closed. I believe it's something like this: agility significantly hurts your avoidance if it's below 70 (or 75?); above that floor, it modestly and linearly improves avoidance up to a low-ish ceiling (200?).
I researched and tweaked some of this stuff when I added the accurate stats to magelo. The agility bonus has a few tiers and other factors. // max agility bonus (called agiAvoidance here) is 53 with level > 40 and AGI 200 // defense 252 (WAR PAL SHD MNK BRD ROG ) = 448 + 53 = 501 // defense 240 (RNG BST) = 426 + 53 = 479 // defense 200 (CLR DRU SHM) = 355 + 53 = 408 // defense 145 (NEC WIZ MAG ENC) = 257 + 53 = 310 Code: [ Only registered users can see the bbcode. Click Here To Register... ]
Thanks for lifting the veil there, Solar. It appears these are all avoidance calculations. Are you willing to share how Mitigation AC is affected by Agi? Also, can you confirm whether or not the formula stated on the Wiki is accurate? Thank you
I'd guess the "if AGI>70, add AGI/20" line in mitigation AC calc on the wiki isn't right, but I donno.
The listing on the wiki appears correct except for bullet #2, the 33% bonus to worn AC only applies to classes other than pure casters. The AGI > 70 thing is right.
Heh, neat. So strictly for mitigation, each 26.7 agility gives non-silkies the same benefit as 1 worn AC. Or 255 agility = 10 worn AC, roughly. Which is basically nothing. For avoidance though agility is actually very solid. Between 75 and 200 agility, every ~3 agility gives 1 avoidance. So for example raising a clumsy ogur's agility from 140 to 200 adds 23 avoidance, a 5% increase in avoidance for tanks. For comparison, CA 1/2/3 increase avoidance by 2/5/10%. TL;DR: tanks should get their agilities up to 200.
Your example of a clumsy ogar describes my tank perfectly, and I want to believe that an avatar proc is a 5% avoidance buff. Can you point me toward any further info about the '60 agility --> 23 avoidance --> 5% misses' math?
From @solar's post, at 75 AGI with 252 defense a tank's avoidance is 448 + 6 = 454. At 200 AGI, that tank has 448 + 53 = 501 avoidance. That 125 AGI bump improves avoidance by (501 - 448)/448 = 11.8% relative to the 75 AGI baseline. Roughly 1% avoidance per 10 points of AGI. Most tanks don't have 75 AGI, though. Unbuffed ogres in raid gear are generally around 140 to 160 atm, so I used 160 AGI as a baseline, giving 448 + (53 - 6)*(160 - 75)/(200 - 75) = 480 avoidance. Bumping AGI from 160 to 200 increases avoidance by (501 - 480)/480 = 4.4% relative to that 160 AGI baseline.
I think I'm with you so far. That 4.4% is the improvement to the agiAvoidance variable without the context of what exactly the overall effect of increasing agiAvoidance by 4.4% is, correct?
Correct. I assume agiAvoidance gets added directly to the overall avoidance score - @solar's post seemed to imply that - but who knows!
That’s sounding like maxing Agility is actually pretty important for a tank since the avoidance portion of AC is very difficult to increase. Combat Agility increases this component by 10% at rank 3 doesn’t it? So wouldn’t a plate tank experience a larger avoidance AC going from 75-200 Agility than they would getting Combat Agility 1-3?
I guess that's true, but these are independent progression paths.. get gear, get AA exp, get AGI buffs.. can do them at the same time. Can get a shaman buff and the 50 AGI belt from VT to get you more than half way.
Once again, I want to believe this, can you show me the math that demonstrates this, because I haven't seen *that* yet. I think what I'm really asking is for Solar to show us the rest of the math that actually happens to the variable agiAvoidance gets added to. Is it really as simple as just multiplying that sum by the CA/LR boost and that's it?
I think Pithy is just talking about this one component value. // defense 252 (WAR PAL SHD MNK BRD ROG) = 448 + 53 = 501 // defense 240 (RNG BST) = 426 + 53 = 479 // defense 200 (CLR DRU SHM) = 355 + 53 = 408 // defense 145 (NEC WIZ MAG ENC) = 257 + 53 = 310 448 is the avoidance gained from defense skill, 53 is the avoidance gained from AGI. These values are what each class will end up with when they have maxed their defense and AGI is at 200 or higher. The 10% bonus from CA is then added to this value. This is the avoidance stat that feeds into the combat logic. So if choosing between having 75/200 AGI or obtaining the CA3 AA, 47 (avoidance gained raising AGI 75 -> 200) is more than 44 (10% of 448). It's even more meaningful for a pure caster. I would still get combat agility 3 as the first archetype AA for every class though.
So far we have totalAvoidance = (defenseAvoidance * aaAvoidance) + agiAvoidance where defenseAvoidance = defense skill * 16/9 aaAvoidance = between 1.0 and 1.27 inclusive depending on AAs agiAvoidance = between 0 and 53 inclusive according to Solar's function above Is there anything important missing from this so far?
@Break I love your spreadsheet. I noticed that spell AGI buffs don't get accounted for like Spell AC. Is that right? Worth fixing?
Li'l note: a lot of silkies and priests have agility around 100 or so. Pumping their agility to 200 should help avoidance quite a bit, comparable to buying all of the Luclin Combat Agility AAs. This is particularly relevant for charming enchanters. Buff your agility with Speed of Vallon to dodge more swings. Also, consider getting some +agility gear.
@Break finding your calc super useful, ty for creating it. for the last few weeks i noticed magelo gives an error importing the agility number, which is throwing all the end result calcs off and/or just giving more errors. is this an issue on my end or?
